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About URL Race Ban

Napisany przez MisterJohnson, 07-03-2018, 22:18


About URL Race Ban

Offline MisterJohnson

#1
Straightly...

The URL Race Ban system is quite unfair, specially considering that game crashes becomes much more frequent the more features that gets added to the server, this 24 hour timer and lack of a feature for admins and mods to URL ban can raise really unfair situations, I'd have suggested this some time ago if I knew it couldn't be undone by admins..

What I propose is, a procedure to request URL unban, but there's a problem with it

I am pretty sure the system can detect whether a player left, his game really crashed or if he had a time out, though, the system cannot know if the time out / crash was a casuality, or if the player provoked it, and this is the problem, know if the player provoked it, or not.

what I propose here, is giving to admins and mods, a command to URL Unban people, though the unban would rely on the criteria of the admin / mod, the admin would need to check into the player's punish log, people with a good punish log (without frequent race bans/ URL bans, issues with administration team, mutes) deserves a chance to get Unbanned from URL races, yet, it still should remain in the punish log, indicating this already happened to the person, so if it becomes frequently, the admin / mod should be more cautious since the player might be exploiting this...

Since June 2016 I've played here...today I got my first ban from any kind of race, and I'm not only pissed because I have no guilty of my MTA crash, but because such unfairness already happened to some people and they simply accepted to be punished without doing anything wrong..
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Online Orbacle

#2
Usual argument for URL bans is that "You can't know whether player disconnected from the network intentionally or not" and "Don't go to URLs if you have bad internet". I am sure that most of url bans are caused not by bad intents, but by actual network and mta crashes. This is sorta a double-edged sword here though. On free-editing wikias there is a practice called "Assume good faith", which assumes that if a bad edit was done, it was not meant to be bad. Not really sure if that applies here, since people tend to abuse.

I think your idea is the best solution so far, but network and game crashes are bound to happen at some random point, so these random points could be exactly during URLs, could be not.
I also would like to propose shorter URL bans (at least 12/24h instead of 24/48h), since like one internet crash at, say recent Birthday URLs pretty much skips half of URLs for you.

(another bs i had myself, laptop battery died, so it went to hibernation and apparently directx crashes which counts as quit mta, not timeout = 48h url ban)
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Offline Rarti

#3
bad interned, mta crash due to lack of memory or whatever, and living at the other side of the globe oh yeah, that mighty 400+ ping..
i think it would be a good idea to make a "join back" possiblity, so if somebody has a crash in the 1st round, he could join back for the 2nd round or 3rd.. but i don't know it it's possible,
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Offline scaftz

#4
(08-03-2018, 01:33)Rarti Wrote: that mighty 400+ ping..
Called me?

Back to the topic, half of me agree with the thing you proposed here but yes, the other half don't. I would rather got banned for the game crashing than giving an opportunity to those irresponsible people who would abuse the Unban system. I have seen others who intentionally made himself disconnected from the game, EG pulling the network cable or some sort, to get shorter ban times. With this unban system implemented, they would have more benefit on doing so. Sure the unban is given by Moderators or Admins, they can judge if they should give it or not, but honesty and fairness are quite rare on the Internet don't you think. So, my whole point is, Fixing the game should the best idea, even though it will be the hardest. But everybody certainly want a perfect product right?

Reducing URL bans to 12h is a bad idea btw, they will possibly having no effect on someone. Example, you only had time to play on 7pm to 11pm, you got URL banned on 8pm, as nighttime passes, your URL ban got lifted with you not having any restriction on anything since you don't even have any time to play on the time you were banned, and you can just join the tomorrow's URL without having any problem, and even leave with the same method again.
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Online Orbacle

#5
(08-03-2018, 02:57)scaftz Wrote: Example, you only had time to play on 7pm to 11pm, you got URL banned on 8pm, as nighttime passes, your URL ban got lifted with you not having any restriction on anything since you don't even have any time to play on the time you were banned, and you can just join the tomorrow's URL without having any problem, and even leave with the same method again.

True, another example of a thing that should improve legit player's experience would also improve abuser's

(08-03-2018, 01:33)Rarti Wrote: a "join back" possiblity, so if somebody has a crash in the 1st round, he could join back for the 2nd round or 3rd.. but i don't know it it's possible

Imo a very good suggestion, which seems possible as well. Like, on reconnect msgbox shows which asks if you want to go back into the URL, if you choose yes = load player in the same dimension where you were but on next race, if no or did not reconnect until last race = url ban

As for disconnects during 3rd race, a partial reward could be given for the points you had if you connect shortly after.

Script could also check for the place/score you had before the disconnect, because leaving intentionally on 3rd race while having like 16 points makes no sense as an ill intent.

Only thing that bugs me is that in URL events section in userpanel, if someone left, they are not shown in a list of participants of that URL, so not sure if that is possible without a rewritten code.
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Offline MisterJohnson

#6
(08-03-2018, 02:57)scaftz Wrote: would rather got banned for the game crashing than giving an opportunity to those irresponsible people who would abuse the Unban system.

I remind you here, as I explained on the topic, once getting unbanned, it will remain on your punish log, which means, one time or another is fine, the admin / mod will look at it and think.."Ooh, this guy only had a raceban a year, 6 months ago, and never had a reincident, he deserves an unban", while, other people, whom had frequent common race bans would be suspiscious, for example, "Oh well, this guy have been race banned 3 times this month, he doesn't has credibility to claim that his disconnection wasn't on purpose"

Is it a bit clearer that before?

(08-03-2018, 02:57)scaftz Wrote: I have seen others who intentionally made himself disconnected from the game, EG pulling the network cable or some sort, to get shorter ban times. With this unban system implemented, they would have more benefit on doing so. Sure the unban is given by Moderators or Admins, they can judge if they should give it or not, but honesty and fairness are quite rare on the Internet don't you think.

If you've seen people disconnecting the cable, pulling off a mta crash for shorter times, I'm pretty sure they still got URL banned and is recorded on his Punishing log, and I'm pretty sure, people unfaithful enough to do that, won't do it only a single time, and I'm sure it's all on his punish log, and as I said on the previous quote my friend...the admin will look at it and think "Ohh well, this guy have been race banned 3 times this month, he doesn't has any credibility to claim that this disconnect / crash wasn't on purpose", the worse case that you're trying to avoid is:

A Guy with an exemplar punish log gets URL Banned and purposedly provokes a Timeout / Crash then gets unbanned, this was like the first incident involving that player, he surely has credibility to ask for an unban, yet, he was wrong, Though, as I mentioned in the main Thread..These bans still are going to be recorded on the player's punish log, and an unfaithful player won't do it only once, the next time it happen he will be suspiscious (unless it have been a long time after the last unban, which actually gives the player credibility proving it's not a frequent issue), so, the worst case you're proposing here, is a Player that Purposedly provokes crashs and timeouts once every 6 months, if this is the reason you'd rather be punished for something you haven't done to see these 6-from-6 months quitters punished for 24 hours I'd say it's a poor reason, and compared to the benefits for the unguilty it's just a colateral effect and is actually a much better system than the current one


(08-03-2018, 02:57)scaftz Wrote: but honesty and fairness are quite rare on the Internet don't you think.

Not only on the internet, but the world aswell, but, what is the internet if not a reflection from our world? and in my opinion, the world is unfair not because it is, it's because we allow unfair things happen to those that doesn't concern to us, hiding behind that sentence "Life is not fair"...

I do think it's unfair, but this unban thing is something that we actually can do something about it, don't you think? Wink
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Offline Rarti

#7
having a chance to rejoin to the url that you got disconnected from would be the best idea
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Offline Madman

#8
Really, really needed
I think I have nothing more to say, you said so much good ideas above

(07-03-2018, 22:39)Orbacle Wrote: say recent Birthday URLs pretty much skips half of URLs for you.
Happened to me during Buffalo URL ^ and I couldn't play any URLs before monday evening.. argh
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Offline scaftz

#9
(08-03-2018, 15:03)MisterJohnson Wrote: Is it a bit clearer that before?

Not really, it was clear as glass already since i read your first post and i don't change my opinion yet.

(08-03-2018, 18:08)Madman Wrote: Really, really needed
I think I have nothing more to say, you said so much good ideas above

(07-03-2018, 22:39)Orbacle Wrote: say recent Birthday URLs pretty much skips half of URLs for you.
Happened to me during Buffalo URL  ^ and I couldn't play any URLs before monday evening.. argh

I played only like, 3 Tournaments on the whole server's anniversary event lol


Rejoining URL seems to be the best idea so far if it's do-able. I am supporting it.
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Offline Kush071.

#10
Well.. Internet is a big problem (talking cuz Brazil here livin on the edge ping) but somehow, I try to play when the internet is the most ''stable" the only problem is the gpu pc freezing only once, internet can be a problem on URLs.. but how did i win 10 urls then :v , but still my opinion
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